Comments on: Distro Review: Sabayon 4.0 http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/ Linux News, Reviews, Tips and Rambling :) Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:38:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: acidtoy http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2761 acidtoy Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:17:13 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2761 "It all adds to the overall experience I hope" Be sure it really do. And hey, I put my bean for the index. Best! “It all adds to the overall experience I hope”
Be sure it really do.

And hey, I put my bean for the index.

Best!

]]> By: acidtoy http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2760 acidtoy Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:16:11 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2760 "It all adds to the overall experience I hope" Be sure it really do. Best! “It all adds to the overall experience I hope”

Be sure it really do.
Best!

]]> By: Dan http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2756 Dan Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:35:32 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2756 @acidtoy - I've reviewed loads of things over the last couple of years and I think perhaps a proper index page listing all reviews on the site would be useful. People often ask for things I've already reviewed, I'm sure I can make it easier to see what's been done and what hasn't. Thanks for reading, I'm really glad if you get something useful out of the articles and discussions around them. There are plenty of commenters who probably know more than I do. It all adds to the overall experience I hope :) @acidtoy – I’ve reviewed loads of things over the last couple of years and I think perhaps a proper index page listing all reviews on the site would be useful. People often ask for things I’ve already reviewed, I’m sure I can make it easier to see what’s been done and what hasn’t. Thanks for reading, I’m really glad if you get something useful out of the articles and discussions around them. There are plenty of commenters who probably know more than I do. It all adds to the overall experience I hope :)

]]> By: acidtoy http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2754 acidtoy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:58:39 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2754 Great article but greater because of the debate around it. You write well and because of that the wealth of comments around your articles make them a lot richer than other reviews out there. Thanks to this very article anyone can get a useful insider about Sabayon -thanks to your review and the comments of your readers- and while nothing can replace personal experience like installing and trying it for yourserlf, it gets a long way ahead. Congratz! I'll go too with the review of Arch, StormOS, Gentoo and general source-based distros. I'm on board too for OpenSolaris and every other desktop OS you may think it could be useful; I now I'm asking *a bit* too much but hey! Asking is free xD Last but no least I keep with this phrase which I liked most: "it reminds me a little of those awful rave tracks you used to get on Warez installers years ago. Not that I would know about that of course *ahem*"... AHEEMMMM!! xDDD Cheers Great article but greater because of the debate around it.

You write well and because of that the wealth of comments around your articles make them a lot richer than other reviews out there. Thanks to this very article anyone can get a useful insider about Sabayon -thanks to your review and the comments of your readers- and while nothing can replace personal experience like installing and trying it for yourserlf, it gets a long way ahead. Congratz!

I’ll go too with the review of Arch, StormOS, Gentoo and general source-based distros. I’m on board too for OpenSolaris and every other desktop OS you may think it could be useful; I now I’m asking *a bit* too much but hey! Asking is free xD

Last but no least I keep with this phrase which I liked most: “it reminds me a little of those awful rave tracks you used to get on Warez installers years ago. Not that I would know about that of course *ahem*”… AHEEMMMM!! xDDD

Cheers

]]> By: jamba http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2438 jamba Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:48:52 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2438 I've been using Sabayon for a couple of months now, and it has been working beautifully. although, like you said the kitchen sink approach lends much to this. entropy + emerge = breakage, I believe someone else already mentioned this. I'm also on board with the view of Arch. I would LOVE to use it, as it sounds incredibly interesting, and right up my alley as a tinkerer and such...but the time is very lacking to set up such a system. The same reason I probably won't get around to checking out gentoo. maybe once the kids are in school though... I’ve been using Sabayon for a couple of months now, and it has been working beautifully. although, like you said the kitchen sink approach lends much to this.

entropy + emerge = breakage, I believe someone else already mentioned this.

I’m also on board with the view of Arch. I would LOVE to use it, as it sounds incredibly interesting, and right up my alley as a tinkerer and such…but the time is very lacking to set up such a system. The same reason I probably won’t get around to checking out gentoo.

maybe once the kids are in school though…

]]> By: Dan http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2112 Dan Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:39:28 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2112 erez - I like a pretty stable system too and I know what you mean. There are plenty of distros which should support your hardware and be very stable, Debian springs to mind of course. I like that there's so much choice in Free Software. There's something for everyone. Thanks for reading. erez – I like a pretty stable system too and I know what you mean. There are plenty of distros which should support your hardware and be very stable, Debian springs to mind of course. I like that there’s so much choice in Free Software. There’s something for everyone. Thanks for reading.

]]> By: erez http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-2109 erez Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:01:46 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-2109 After installing, [and mostly also re-installing], over 50 Unix variants over the last year plus, I still do not have a favourite flavour... Each had its own bag. I loved Sabayon slick desktop & toolset, but the first few (3.1 & 3.2?) were not able to detect my HW and didn't fully install. Recent variants (late 3.x, early 4.0) installed, but due to their Gentoo heritage, soon became unstable. I can't live with hung or crashing system. I'm installing a new machine now, and probably give 4.1 a spin. But my expectations are I'll revert to Fedora, or maybe even CAOS. I maybe "old fashion", but I yearn for the old times where my Linux boxes would run for months on end w/o a crash (of course, the variety of both HW and SW was much much smaller). Ok, nuf lamenting :) z After installing, [and mostly also re-installing], over 50 Unix variants over the last year plus, I still do not have a favourite flavour… Each had its own bag. I loved Sabayon slick desktop & toolset, but the first few (3.1 & 3.2?) were not able to detect my HW and didn’t fully install. Recent variants (late 3.x, early 4.0) installed, but due to their Gentoo heritage, soon became unstable. I can’t live with hung or crashing system. I’m installing a new machine now, and probably give 4.1 a spin. But my expectations are I’ll revert to Fedora, or maybe even CAOS. I maybe “old fashion”, but I yearn for the old times where my Linux boxes would run for months on end w/o a crash (of course, the variety of both HW and SW was much much smaller). Ok, nuf lamenting :)

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]]> By: Dan http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-1220 Dan Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:58:59 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-1220 @Marteni - Thank you for the kind comment, especially in the light of your disagreeing with some of the article. I respect that. As I said earlier in the comments, the disk space thing might not have been a problem if I'd had a different partitioning scheme on my hard disk. I accept that portion of the blame but when you've got 12gb of space and you try as many different distros as I do and never use more than 5-6gb on the biggest install, it's a shock to run out of space and experience a system fail. As I tried to point out I never found the system slow but always responsive despite the size. Some key packages I like were difficult to get and use, nothing major just worth noting I thought. I certainly wouldn't want to compare Sabayon to Vista in any way and I hope I didn't do that. I hear Vista needs 20gb for a base install and so does Mac OS, I've never tried either so can't say personally. Sabayon is a good distribution and I think it's a few points off being a really world beating product, I like the innovation and the guts in the design, I hope they keep striving to make it better. Thanks for reading :) @Marteni – Thank you for the kind comment, especially in the light of your disagreeing with some of the article. I respect that. As I said earlier in the comments, the disk space thing might not have been a problem if I’d had a different partitioning scheme on my hard disk. I accept that portion of the blame but when you’ve got 12gb of space and you try as many different distros as I do and never use more than 5-6gb on the biggest install, it’s a shock to run out of space and experience a system fail. As I tried to point out I never found the system slow but always responsive despite the size. Some key packages I like were difficult to get and use, nothing major just worth noting I thought. I certainly wouldn’t want to compare Sabayon to Vista in any way and I hope I didn’t do that. I hear Vista needs 20gb for a base install and so does Mac OS, I’ve never tried either so can’t say personally. Sabayon is a good distribution and I think it’s a few points off being a really world beating product, I like the innovation and the guts in the design, I hope they keep striving to make it better. Thanks for reading :)

]]> By: Marteni http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-1219 Marteni Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:36 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-1219 Thanks for your review Dan, as a Sabayon user for the past three years or so I have to compliment you on your review and quietly disagree with most of your 'not so good' comments about the distro. The bloat is there, true. The distro is on a DVD -of course it's huge. The main thing is it works, the excess HD storage does not effect OS performance, and it 'works' better than any other distro I've tried out of the box - including Ubuntu, Suse, Mint, Fedora, blah blah. My definition of 'works' is "start program, use program, complete task, exit program". I'm writing this in the 'live environment' of Sabayon 4 as I make an image of my 'Vista' partition. This image will have an updated version of Vista with openoffice.org, Firefox, x3 (game) and a couple of disk tools. Size of image = 57.2 Gb. It took me the best part of 2 days to install and update Vista to this point. Sabayon is quite a midget by comparison, and takes around an hour to install from insertion of DVD to surfing with Firefox. It's a shame you didn't get on too well with Sabayon, I came to Sabayon after Gentoo, and have not looked back. If you do intend to try Gentoo please go the live dvd way. A stage one install took around 7 days on my old 2 gig Celeron tester, 90% of that time was downloading and compiling. Again, thanks for having a look at a solid distro. Thanks for your review Dan, as a Sabayon user for the past three years or so I have to compliment you on your review and quietly disagree with most of your ‘not so good’ comments about the distro.

The bloat is there, true. The distro is on a DVD -of course it’s huge. The main thing is it works, the excess HD storage does not effect OS performance, and it ‘works’ better than any other distro I’ve tried out of the box – including Ubuntu, Suse, Mint, Fedora, blah blah. My definition of ‘works’ is “start program, use program, complete task, exit program”.

I’m writing this in the ‘live environment’ of Sabayon 4 as I make an image of my ‘Vista’ partition. This image will have an updated version of Vista with openoffice.org, Firefox, x3 (game) and a couple of disk tools. Size of image = 57.2 Gb. It took me the best part of 2 days to install and update Vista to this point. Sabayon is quite a midget by comparison, and takes around an hour to install from insertion of DVD to surfing with Firefox.

It’s a shame you didn’t get on too well with Sabayon, I came to Sabayon after Gentoo, and have not looked back. If you do intend to try Gentoo please go the live dvd way. A stage one install took around 7 days on my old 2 gig Celeron tester, 90% of that time was downloading and compiling.

Again, thanks for having a look at a solid distro.

]]> By: Dan http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/02/sabayon4/comment-page-1/#comment-1130 Dan Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:20:14 +0000 http://danlynch.org/blog/?p=368#comment-1130 @Rohit - Thanks for the comment. I haven't looked at Lite MCE and I have to admit it didn't occur to me. I don't have a media center machine in the house you see I use a Freecom hard disk media player for that kind of stuff, it's Linux based and works well. Glad MCE works well for you and perhaps I'll try to give it a look in future :) @Rohit – Thanks for the comment. I haven’t looked at Lite MCE and I have to admit it didn’t occur to me. I don’t have a media center machine in the house you see I use a Freecom hard disk media player for that kind of stuff, it’s Linux based and works well. Glad MCE works well for you and perhaps I’ll try to give it a look in future :)

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